gotta agree w/Josh, got dragged there twice last yr as part of a group and the place is the bottom of the barrel as far as bars go....funny thing is when it first opened (probably 12 yrs ago) in its original incarnation it was a cool unique place to go and we went there often....now it seems like the help there are people who can't get a bar job anywhere else, most of the patrons are a little skeevy, or else guys who're looking for trouble, and the atmosphere is oppressive & dingy..WAY TOO many places to go in CLT to put up w/a bar like this