DON'T use them! it's been over a week since that unpleasant day & I am still digging out of the boxes that are left anywhere & everywhere...except where they were clearly marked to be left. Joe sold his services by saying he would be moving my things along with his crew but then didn't show up & he was rude & unprofessional when I asked him about it. In all fairness, his crew were good guys but with a crummy leader, they didn't have a chance. Be smart-FIND SOMEONE ELSE!!!