Good challenging golf course...there are short par 4s but you have to be accurate on tee else you could easily post a high score...when the wind is blowing on your face like when i played today the long par 4s can get you easily even on a good tee shot, just accept that par is a plus but bogie is not bad neither...take your time and enjoy the view and soak in the design of the course...it is really amazing to see the beautifully maitained golf course her in vegas...i played Bali Hai yesterday and this course is much harder because of the wind and some long par 4s and par 5s, but both are good vacation golf courses to play...enjoy and treat yourself with great outdoor experience...i even shot 2 on 2nd whole, 2nd shot back spinned to the whole after landing just a foot above it...have fun!