I really tried not to like this course. Things didn't start off well with a starter that just didn't have the customer service thing down at all. Nice kid...but very incompetent. He moved our tee time back just because the group behind us wanted to move forward and were regulars. Not bad in and of itself, but he didn't know how to do it without ticking some of the guys off in our foursome. Aside from that, the course was great. As all of the other reviews say...very different for AZ. Condition was immaculate. Fun layout. The group they put me with wanted to play the white tees and it plays VERY easy from the white tees. At the finish of the round I stopped and worked with the course pro who was fitting clubs. He fit me for a driver and actually instead of trying to sell me a driver told me that my current driver is perfect for me. Pace of play was great...but we teed off at 6:40 am and played in just under 4 hours.