I understand why some people don't love this place. It does have that "college" feel that a lot of people tend to grow out of - particularly the type of people who want to drink downtown. At the same time, there are a lot of TVs around the bar, making it a good place for sports watching. Most of the times I've visited, it's been busy without being packed. And frankly, sometimes you just want to drink downtown without paying the "downtown premium" to do it. Clevelander is where you can do it.