I must say - I had my permanent make up done here with tech named Debbie & this was done 2002 & she did full eye brows & full up & down eye liner & full lip color & full lip liner & honestly my eye liner is still there & my eye brows to :) Great work one touch up was needed & when doing my lips she did a dental block so there was no PAIN at all none & no swelling just a little discomfort the day after with my lips :) Debbie don't work there anymore & I would never let anyone else do my work but her!