Brought Roy my esee 3 and 5 to get sharpened because I honestly abused the 5 so bad the edge was well beyond my capability of repairing without a grinder. When he was done with it the edge was NOTICEABLY better than when it was brand new and the edge geometry was better than when it was new!!! If you've ever had a high quality piece of steel you'll know what I mean when I say it's beyond shaving sharp now it's HAIR POPPING!!! that takes real skill thank you Roy!!!