So I gave this place another chance and again the lawn was waaaaaay over sold. Not the way it was 2-3 years ago when you had room to move. We arrived over an hour late because we were stuck in traffic trying to get in and the parking sucked! They made us park at a lot across the street in the dirt! We were up against the back wall where there were many men urinating on the wall about 10 feet behind where we were sitting. NO SECURITY stopping them so monkey see, monkey do and this went on all night. After missing all of the first act (we heard 2-3 Alice Cooper songs). There was an intermission but I thought it would be busy at the beer/snack stands so I waited until 2 songs into Motley Crew to attempt to get a drink. I waited in line 5 SONGS to get one beer! Everyone was complaining! Then try to leave??? The parking lot next door had several gates now closed off and NO ONE directing traffic so we SAT with the car idling for over an hour not moving an inch. NEVER AGAIN!! I actually used to really like this venue because I do enjoy lawn seats and being able to move about but since you are not able to do that any longer because of the venue being so greedy and over selling tickets on groupon and other discount sites, I WILL NOT GO AGAIN!