FYI - A bike listed for $4995 was over $7K out the door. The only two things I would be willing to pay over list price are taxes (of course) and maybe a destination charge (though many dealers I have seen just roll that in to the asking price). The manufacturer lists the destination charge as $330, they wanted to pass along almost $500. Then they added ~$1000 for setup and title/documentation. I pretty much knew what I was going to be in for - they had the bike listed for almost $2K less than everyone else in the country - well no wonder. They still sell it for roughly the same price as everyone else, just bait you in with an artificially low price. Also took numerous phone calls over 2 days to actually be able to talk to someone.