Another venue not living up to their full potential. I like that the venue and bar have seperate spaces and the outdoor patio/bar is nice as Im a smoker but lately they have been booking bands too large for the venue and you end up elbow to a-hole w/ a bunch of little kids if you want to be anywhere near the band playing as the over 21 fenced off area is about a 10 inch radius from the bar. The bar staff is pretty laid back, the security staff is kind of ego-maniacal meatheads that kick people's asses for no reason. When i went to The Germs show someone got their nose broken. Lots of blood. Which, typically would be a normal scene for a punk rock pit but it was inflicted by the security simply because the kid told him to F off.
Liquor is kinda expensive but decent specials on various nights. usually reasonable cover charge for bands which is nice in this economy. The usual bar games, i want to say they are free during certain times . . . not sure on that tho'.