Lived here in Phx for 16 years, have never played this course and never will again. This course will probably shut down like Vistal. It has a nice layout and is challenging especially from the back tee's, however it needs alot of TLC. Most tee boxes are not bad, fairways on the other hand are spotty at best, cart paths are in horrible shape . Even when you drive up to the clubhouse you will recognize it has not had a coat of paint in 15 years. All in all just a very run down facility. If they are making money they sure are not putting it back into the course. Will not be back when there are other fine courses thruout the Valley.