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  • Will never play here again after playing here today. Had high hopes after talking to others who had played this newly renovated course. We had never played the old Maryvale layout. To start with, we teed off 20 minutes late. Followed a threesome (we were 4). We kept bumping into them as they took forever to putt out on each green. However, we knew they were also bumping up to the group ahead of them and so on. We were on the 17th tee box after starting on #10. The group ahead of us was waiting for the group ahead of them to clear the green. While we were waiting for them to clear the green, after 15 minutes of waiting, the ranger came up to our group and asked us to let the group behind us play through. They had apparently called the clubhouse to complain about our pace. When I pointed out to the ranger that there was still a group on the green that we had been waiting on and that the foursome of drinkers behind us had hit into us twice already, I would not let them play through. That he should find the slow group way ahead of us to speed up play. We teed off, finished the hole and then finished our front nine before the group behind us teed off on 18. We made the turn waited for the tee box to clear and the back nine was the same thing. Hit and wait, hit and wait. Not sure there was ever a resolution to the slow play and the group behind us became more and more aggressive as we finished. On the last green they again hit into us, a ball flying over our heads as we were putting out. We confronted them and they claimed it was the hit of their life. BS! The round took 4 3/4 hours! The greens are too hard and don't hold approach shots. Bunkers are annoying and inconsistent. Too many parallel fairways and no directional signs to find the 1st and 10th tee boxes. It's just not an enjoyable place to play. Better values and better pace elsewhere.
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